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and we have a special phone guest today

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he's an american political commentator

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he calls himself an amateur historian

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but i wouldn't really consider him that

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he's a podcaster a former radio show

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host

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and dan carlin how you doing dan

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i'm well thank you for having me on the

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show oh you bet um we are first of all i

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have to say how pleased i am that uh

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you're talking to us today

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i'm a real big fan of yours and i hope

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to turn some of our listeners on to you

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and they'll become your fans as well

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well we would love that

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you do two podcasts

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i'm going to start out first by talking

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about

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the one you do more often which is

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called common sense and then we'll get

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right into the hardcore history which

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we're going to focus on today

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a little bit about common sense from i

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listen to all of it now i mean i started

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out listening to you with the hardcore

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history

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and then i got involved in the common

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sense and i'm telling you some of the

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things you uncover

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um it just makes me wonder why isn't

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anyone doing something about this

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can you talk about that you know

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actually i think that's the most

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interesting aspect and we actually talk

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about that all the time here um

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we don't understand why no one else is

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talking about it either and i feel like

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it's a real i mean in a personal sense

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it's a blessing because it's it's great

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to have no competition um in another

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sense though i mean if you're really

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worried about some of these problems we

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talk about it'd be a little bit more

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encouraging to think that there was a

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whole lot more people talking about it

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um just not talking about things from a

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typical republican or democrat talking

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point i think all that stuff's hurting

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us more than helping us these days and

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you think you'd see more of that out

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there in the whole mainstream media but

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maybe we're benefiting from the fact you

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don't yeah so i i just want to tell you

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uh speaking of this podcast in

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particular uh common sense it's called

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um i listened to a youtube earlier

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there's a uh a podcast that you did back

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in 2007 when you totally predicted the

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economic crash that was about to happen

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how did you do that

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well you know really that's just a

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function of history i mean

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eventually i mean i think we human

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beings get stuck in this idea that the

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way things are are you know we just plan

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on that if you go to a meeting with your

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financial advisor for example if you

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have one they're going to sit down and

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they're going to show you a graph of how

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the american economy has been doing

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since the second world war and of course

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what i always say back to them is you

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know there was an economy before the

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second world war and once you realize

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that you see oh you know everything goes

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up and down in cycles and just because

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we haven't had something really bad

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happen to us history shows it's going to

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happen again so i think i was more

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siding

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with history in that sense just saying

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you know it's like people who said that

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the tech bubble would never burst with

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stocks and you just sit there and go

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really it's gonna go on forever so i

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mean i think we just got lucky in

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predicting a typical cycle that we're

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always living with right right now do

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you use a lot of historical events in

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your thinking when you do that those

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particular podcasts

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i'm actually stuck that way i mean i

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think we all organize our our framework

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for thinking differently and in my case

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i just sort of base everything on

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history that's how my mind operates for

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better or for worse i think that gives

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me other blind spots too

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but we always brought a lot of history

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into our political current event show

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and that's what gave someone else the

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idea that maybe we could do a history

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show too um it wasn't my idea they just

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heard a lot of history in our common

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sense show so yeah i've always used that

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as sort of one of the foundations that

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we try to work off of i was looking at

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your wikipedia page

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and it says that you're a amateur

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historian now that just just means that

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you don't have a degree in history is

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that what is that what it means by that

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i do actually have a degree in history

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it's just a ba uh university of colorado

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uh and when you want to call yourself a

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historian uh by our modern standards you

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really should have a phd i see and so

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and so i don't want any historians to

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get mad at me i like to consider myself

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in the vein of

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you know what they used to call an oral

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historian and you can go back and like

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the minstrels in medieval times or the

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traditional storytellers that you'll see

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in tribal societies where they will

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relate the stories of the past to the

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young people

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with all its grandeur and drama you know

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people sometimes you know one of the

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criticisms i hear about our show is that

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it's a little melodramatic and the way i

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answer that is that i'm specifically

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choosing topics that are wonderfully

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dramatic and i'm trying to get away from

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the names and the dates and all that and

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give people a sense for how dramatic

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these events really were and so i think

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that's why uh uh i think that's why the

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whole thing works okay so well let's

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jump right into this hardcore history

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and again that's how i found you i was

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actually

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found your podcast by going into itunes

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and just looking for anything history

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related

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the one thing i got to say about i

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really love the out of the box thinking

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you have when you're you're doing your

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podcast do you have to plan way ahead on

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uh on doing a particular podcast

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it's a little different for each show uh

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the common sense show

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is is a version of a program i used to

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do on radio and my lifestyle is almost a

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tune to it while i'm reading things i'm

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marking and cutting things out so i've

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got that kind of down to a science and

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that doesn't take that much work that

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history shows a lot more uh labor

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intensive though we work very hard on it

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and it's hard on us mentally i wish

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sometimes i had a bigger you know like

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one of those aliens with a giant head

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with an iq of 300 because sometimes i

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literally feel like i'm i'm pushing my

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mentality to the limits but

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it's a lot of work and uh a lot of the

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stuff you talk about

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it just simply couldn't be found in text

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where do you where do you come up with

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all this information you know

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one of the places because that's a very

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broad question i'm not sure i have the

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answer but i do know that that when i

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was a history major back in college and

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you would you would have conversations

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with the other history majors this is

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the kind of weird stuff we would all

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talk about i mean when you're a history

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geek there's certain you know you can go

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to our websites out there that discuss

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things like alternative history what if

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the germans had won the second world war

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or something like that that's

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fascinating yeah that's all the stuff

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that history geeks geek out on and i

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think a lot of those kinds of thinking

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are people you know history majors will

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talk about this stuff amongst themselves

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i like the show you did of effects on

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alcohol and drugs on past events i mean

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something i don't think too many people

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would have ever thought of it really

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that came from a couple of stories that

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whether napoleon had been influenced by

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taking opium the night before for some

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painful ailment of his and there were

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just a couple of those stories out there

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like that and i thought how weird is it

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to think that we can talk about how much

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of an effect things like alcohol or

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tobacco or anything like that has on our

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modern culture but just because the

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sources aren't telling us about it in

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the past i mean you've got to think that

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those people were at least as affected

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as we are and then you start wondering

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well if they were does that explain you

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know uh napoleon's conduct at waterloo

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that day for example yeah that was that

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yeah that was great it was great and

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another one i really um enjoyed or just

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never really thought deeply about it was

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slavery you know you think about uh

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slavery more in contemporary terms when

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i say contemporary in the last three 300

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way way back and the the if i can quote

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you i believe you said something along

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the lines of uh we all have uh slaves

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blood running through our veins you know

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and that was it was funny because while

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i was doing the research for that show

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and maybe it's because we're here in the

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united states and we're and and when you

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talk about slavery our slavery was so

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relatively recent in historical times

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that it still dominates all of our

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conversation about it

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except that it's such an age-old human

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institution that if you want to sort of

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give the long view of it

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well most of us have been slaves at one

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time or another with the way we're all

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related and the way that different

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societies i mean the romans used to

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enslave all sorts of people right we

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don't think of in the united states as

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ever having ever been slaves and i think

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if i'm you know a while now since we did

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that show but i think we were talking

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about slavery as the original

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labor-saving device yes

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and and and how that once upon a time in

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caveman times not quite caveman times

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the history of people slavery may

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actually have been some sort of a human

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rights advancement because the way you

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got slaves was by not killing some

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prisoner on the battlefield and you'd

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make a deal with them and say uh okay i

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won't kill you but you have to do what i

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say the rest of your life

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strange to think of history as some sort

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of a human progression in morality or

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civilization isn't it yes and i do

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recall you pointing out that it was a

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stagnation um as far as developing

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inventions and things right because they

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just relied on slaves to do the work

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these stories about how

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for example in some of the slave areas

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in south america they didn't develop

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water systems and plumbing until later

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than the surrounding areas because they

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had slaves to go get the water for them

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so there was never any need to be filled

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that's fascinating right

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now speaking along those lines what what

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would make someone remain a slave just

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fear of being uh

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killed

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basically

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i think i think that's a tough question

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from modern minds yes um i i think first

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of all i think the situation differed in

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different situations i mean that the

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ones here in the united states were

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particularly horrifying and cruel um but

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there are tribal societies where being a

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slave is sometimes almost like being an

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extended member of the family uh if you

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were a greek slave in roman times and

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you weren't working in a mine or one of

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those terrible jobs you might be

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employed as a tutor in the household i

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mean it's not a wonderful life per se

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but it's not what we always associate

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with say you know channel slavery in the

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u.s south or something so maybe that has

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something to do with it but even then

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rome had huge uprisings with hundreds of

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thousands of armed slaves fighting

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against you know rome's armies at times

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so i don't think people always did put

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up with it yes it's amazing amazing and

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then you did a segment on

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world war

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ii which i thought

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because i know a good part of the 20th

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century with at least half of it

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i don't think of it as being that brutal

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but it really was uh some of the things

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you point out between the russians and

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the germans were just amazing the way

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they

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uh brutalized each other

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i think history is certainly going to

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record that the 20th century is the most

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brutal century there ever was

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uh it depends on how you measure it but

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in terms of like overall human suffering

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uh the 20th century is a pretty bad one

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and yeah we chose the eastern front

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specifically the war between the germans

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and the russians because most of us here

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in the united states don't focus on that

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we like to focus on our involvement and

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you know conversely the russians like to

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focus on their involvement but it's a

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whole part of that war that if you took

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it out of the context of the second

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world war just the what we call the

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eastern front that's been like the

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biggest war in history all by itself

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right right it was a massive amount of

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people and and it was a war to the

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absolute finish in a way that i don't

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think the united states i don't think

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we've ever fought a war like that where

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it was a war to the absolute finish and

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on the eastern front you really got a

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chance to see what man's inhumanity

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demand means

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right right a lot of times i think you

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get into these real brutal subjects but

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you know that's

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that's what war was it was very cruel

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and brutal

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i guess that's one of the things that

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fascinates me about it is the extremes

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of human experience

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and and that's why i can't enjoy fiction

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anymore because it's one thing to sit in

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your house and write about the extremes

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of human situations it's another thing

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to read about people that actually had

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to live through it right now what do you

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have uh on the horizon coming up uh i'm

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stuck in a long series we're going to

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probably do

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on the fall of the roman republic and

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it's following a typical pattern with me

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where i completely

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pick a wrong topic that's going to be

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too big that i'm never going to be able

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to do and finish and so i've just done

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it again so i figure i'm trapped for a

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while here in this roman republic stuff

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wow

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and uh do you have people helping you

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with the research you do on this

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that's classified information

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i don't blame you

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i'll just say that it's no more than one

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if it is indeed one and it's not ben

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right

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i can't say anything about that

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i was going to ask you about then but

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yeah i know he's everybody wants to know

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i'm sorry

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dan let's talk a little bit about your

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discussion board

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that's a very active very active site

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yes

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you know and and having no experience

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with it i'm a little surprised by how

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it's turned out i have to say that

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sometimes i feel like a parent

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where you almost feel like you know

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you've created something that's going to

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go off on its own to college now and

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have its own life because the people

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that have gone to the discussion board

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have you had this wonderful place to be

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in terms of if you want to discuss

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political events or things in an

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atmosphere with a wide variety of people

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who try to be

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uh somewhat polite and nice um that has

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little to do with me and yet here we

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host this thing it's that's a fun

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development as part of the new media so

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it's just taken off on its own really

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well we helped it along initially like a

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kid but i mean now it's the people who

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are there that make it what it is right

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right now one thing i know from

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experience

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when i'm talking on these podcasts or

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when i'm doing anything even when it

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comes to cataloging antiques you name it

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people love to uh certain people i

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should say

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love to pick out out your mistakes does

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that that must happen oh yeah well

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listen there's no question about that

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mean that i mean we get of course we get

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tons of email from people you

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mispronounce this you know yeah

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satisfied i don't think you and offering

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tons of advice and all kinds of things i

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mean that comes with the territory well

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i talked to a guy that does historical

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maritime paintings and when he's doing a

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painting of the harbor he tries to

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research even erosion on the shoreline

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and everything to get it just right

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and he says sometimes someone will will

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contact him and say the building was

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over

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looks like maybe three or four feet to

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the left a little bit you know let's

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just pick apart everything so yeah it's

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interesting well especially if you try

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to just talk and not have everything

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written down you're going to make

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mistakes just by the sheer nature you

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know we're all people and things come

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out wrong and your choices are to

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you know just continue to focus on

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perfection or to sit there and say

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listen the audience knows what people do

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and most people aren't bothered by that

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stuff hopefully i have my fingers

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crossed

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now you've had a couple of good

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interviews yourself that you've talked

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to people uh burke was on the phone

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right oh yeah he was great i mean if you

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talk about people that uh i'd pay money

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to sit and have lunch with that guy

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james burke he's he's as high as anybody

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yes yes and i heard you mentioned shelby

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foote the other day he he was a person i

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would have loved to have listened to

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yes i have a i have a soft spot in my

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heart for all those kind of people if if

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only because you know i mean you sit

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there and shelby's foot i mean think of

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the stories he'd be able to relate uh

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the great civil war historian and not

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just that it's not just that they can

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relate all this stuff because they have

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the knowledge but the way that they

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convey it yes is it you know you're

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you're wrapped attention the whole time

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by their style yeah he was my favorite

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in uh ken burns a series yeah me too

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yeah he was great he was great now have

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you ever considered doing anything like

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the american revolution or anything like

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that or

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or the civil war do you think those are

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just touched on too often well you know

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part of the problem of doing things and

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people request things all the time and

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they think i have

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knowledge enough to take their requests

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and actually turn them into a program

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but everything we talk about on the show

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is something that i already have a

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certain base amount of knowledge off of

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otherwise there'd be no way to educate

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myself enough to do the podcast within

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the time limit so when people bring up

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something like the civil war i know

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there's a ton of people who'd love to

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hear that it's just not a not a subject

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that i'm strong enough in to do a good

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enough job to meet anyone's expectations

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so i'm limited by my own limitations

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like that

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but i'm sure if you did something like

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that you'd probably take your typical

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approach

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well the fun i mean the fun you know

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when you're talking about events like

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this the word fun doesn't really fit but

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the fun part the fun part about civil

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wars is that there's always and we'll

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get into this in the in the one on the

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roman republic that we're doing now

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because there are a bunch of civil wars

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in that too the interesting part is to

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look at the brother versus brother

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aspect or how how

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how unbelievably repressed these people

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are in terms of being angry at their own

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countrymen and how that sometimes comes

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out and what happens and truthfully the

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u.s civil war was gentlemanly compared

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to things like the roman one oh really

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wow well they had scores to settle

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now i'm just going to ask do you do you

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collect anything yourself because i know

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you collect books don't you yes well

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my wife would say obsessively collective

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i just feel like i just feel like i buy

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them and never throw them away i don't

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know if that's collecting it

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i definitely have a bit of a book fetish

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i guess

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other things as well are just books well

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you know people send me stuff um really

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and it's amazing a lot of them are

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german for some reason german listeners

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feel like they need to send you stuff

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and i'm glad they do because i'll get

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all these little historical knick-knacks

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from people

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guys yeah the last guy sent me a little

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piece of a broken clay

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you know those big clay jars with the

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narrow necks that in ancient times would

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hold wine or olive oil or something i

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guess there's a big site in uh in north

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africa or something where where these

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things are all piled up in giant garbage

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from ancient times and so he got me one

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of the ones 2400 years old or something

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stamped by an archaeologist and that

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sits on my shelf it just looks like a

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broken piece of trash you never know how

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old the human hands were the oldest

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thing in my community probably

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now

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when you first took the leap out of

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radio jumping into doing this on the

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internet

550
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were you a little nervous at first well

551
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,919
it's that's harder to point out because

552
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,160
i got into radio years ago when radio

553
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:22,240
was a really good profession for the

554
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,679
host to be in and while i was in it got

555
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,000
to watch it decline

556
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,320
to a place where you know radio wasn't

557
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,400
really very much fun to do anymore and

558
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:34,400
so i was looking at a lot of other

559
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:36,880
people were too for okay how can i

560
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,679
continue to do what it is i do

561
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,000
and do it in a way different from what

562
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,400
corporate radio has become so i was

563
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,400
looking for me it revitalized me i was

564
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,240
looking at not continuing radio at all

565
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,679
just because of what it has become in

566
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,640
terms of creativity or the latitude you

567
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:54,320
would have to try new and different

568
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,280
things

569
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,039
i felt really stifled by that and once

570
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,120
you got the opportunity to do podcasting

571
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,600
it was like getting a blank white you

572
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:03,760
know creative board to start playing on

573
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,559
no rules no one you had to go um you

574
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,720
know confirm what you wanted to do with

575
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,200
no no judge who had to say this is or

576
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,440
isn't good enough to show to an audience

577
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,120
i mean i i felt the whole thing was

578
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:18,080
revitalizing wow well i think a few

579
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,200
other people

580
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,440
share that we had adam corolla on here a

581
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,360
while back and you know he's he has to

582
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,440
believe he has the number one podcast

583
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:27,200
that there is i'm pretty sure he does or

584
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,159
one of them

585
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,919
you know he's really taking this thing

586
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,840
and taking off with it you know and i

587
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,240
think it's a great idea and uh that's

588
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,600
kind of how i got into it you know there

589
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,320
was no one doing anything on um auctions

590
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,960
and antiques and art and stuff like that

591
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,559
all in one you know there was one guy

592
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,640
focusing on like ebay auctions and stuff

593
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,280
like that so might as well try it right

594
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,200
and now and what ends up happening after

595
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,840
a while you you create your own little

596
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,000
digital space you know where you where

597
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,000
you're you become the auction guy it

598
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,000
becomes part of you know if people want

599
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,919
to listen to a podcast you're known

600
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,200
you're the one with the reviews you're

601
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,480
the one i mean

602
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,919
that's what we're really enjoying we

603
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,000
compared it to the oklahoma land rush

604
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,640
once and early on we thought okay it's

605
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,480
just about going and finding your little

606
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,480
space in the internet world and then

607
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,880
defending it you know yeah so we have

608
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,240
our little history space in our little

609
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,679
politics and current event space you

610
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,159
have your auction space that was a uh

611
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,640
the oklahoma land rush i saw something

612
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,400
on that one time where they just

613
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,320
the line came down at 12 noon and they

614
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:28,080
all just ran and grabbed their spot

615
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,960
right

616
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,240
listen can you imagine if we could do

617
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,159
that again today that'd be awesome a lot

618
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,000
of happy people yeah

619
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,840
we could probably do it like in uh

620
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,520
somewhere we wouldn't want to be

621
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,159
still well well i listen oklahoma at the

622
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:42,400
time was a little hostile and dangerous

623
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,760
and those people weren't going to have

624
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,679
an easy time with it but freeland is

625
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,080
free land isn't it right right do you

626
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,400
have like oh a year from now i'm going

627
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,000
to get into this

628
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,039
type of historic podcast or anything

629
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,440
like that i mean how how far i know i'm

630
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,360
jumping around here a bit but how far in

631
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,480
advance

632
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,880
do you have things planned

633
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,799
well part of the problem is we go so

634
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,960
slowly that i mean it takes us so long

635
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,799
to do each episode and then i'll do

636
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,880
these multi-part episodes so all you

637
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,720
have to have is five or six things

638
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,400
planned and you're you're looking at the

639
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,720
next two years or something so i i have

640
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,159
a lot of great stories to tell and

641
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,480
they're all super dramatic and they

642
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,159
follow along similar lines i think to

643
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,000
what we've done already but someday i'd

644
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:25,679
like to do crusades

645
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,720
or at least the first crusade and i

646
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,080
always like to try to pick something

647
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,120
where

648
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,840
it tries to shed a little light on the

649
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,120
current situation if possible yeah

650
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,799
and so i think the crusades would be fun

651
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,320
but to me that's just like jumping into

652
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
another black hole just like all these

653
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,159
other subjects that are really too big

654
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:45,840
to cover you end up when you add up all

655
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,559
these episodes we did unlike that german

656
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,480
russian podcast you talked about i mean

657
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,480
that becomes like a mini book after a

658
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,000
while

659
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,240
and so i mean you're really almost doing

660
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,799
a surrealized book and so i'm still

661
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,120
learning i think how to do the history

662
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,200
podcast and what they are i mean the the

663
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,440
political one is so much more like radio

664
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,200
or a regular podcast it's easier to

665
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,200
understand we don't even know still what

666
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,440
the plan is with hardcore history but

667
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,960
certainly i'll get to the crusades at

668
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,840
some point now i know um i wait

669
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,120
patiently

670
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,799
every it's about every two months right

671
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,039
for a hardcore history it is and and

672
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:23,280
everybody gets on me i'm i'm really in

673
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,559
everybody's dog house all the time

674
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,080
you just get emails from people like

675
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,799
where is it where is it yeah i get i get

676
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,200
people that just go i got one the other

677
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,960
day where somebody just sent me an email

678
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,120
all it said was it had no actual message

679
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:39,840
it was just a subject line that when

680
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,960
with a big exclamation point

681
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,000
you know

682
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,240
so hey listen those are blessings though

683
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,760
right i mean

684
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,440
don't give me any more than where would

685
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,000
we be right right now do you uh do you

686
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,919
have you must have listeners worldwide

687
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,960
yes

688
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,240
yeah don't you have i think all

689
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,799
podcasters aren't they um yeah i know

690
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,400
but you say you were saying earlier you

691
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,279
get things from germany so um

692
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,559
places you would think of other

693
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,480
languages you know you're still getting

694
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,799
people listening to all over i i know i

695
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,200
have one listener in korea but i can't

696
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,159
think of any other um you know language

697
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,840
barrier countries

698
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,520
at this point though i think that's one

699
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,799
of the things that makes it that would

700
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,320
make it hard to

701
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,640
go back and do traditional radio again

702
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,159
because you feel like once you've been

703
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,520
broadcasting to potentially anywhere you

704
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,120
know if you go back on a radio somewhere

705
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,559
you're only reaching as far as the

706
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,320
transmitter reaches i've become you know

707
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,559
i i'm enjoying being able to talk to

708
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,720
anybody anywhere it's a real it's a real

709
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:38,559
cool thing i did a show once where i was

710
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,919
talking about nigeria and i i was i was

711
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,919
talking about corruption and i said that

712
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,360
if the united states isn't careful

713
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,440
someday we'll be like oh i looked at the

714
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,240
corruption list online and nigeria was

715
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,000
down at the very bottom so i said we

716
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,840
might be like nigeria and then i said my

717
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,480
apologies to any nigerians to my three

718
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,480
nigerian listeners and i got an email

719
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,200
from a guy who said okay i'm nigerian

720
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,120
and i listen with my nigerian friend and

721
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,960
all i want to know is who's the third

722
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,360
nigerian

723
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,679
and so that happens you think oh going

724
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,520
back to radio even if you were in new

725
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,520
york city would be like a demotion after

726
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,000
that wow yeah that's a that's a really

727
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,840
good point so where do you think the

728
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,480
future of all this is going podcasting

729
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,080
well you know i get a little scared and

730
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,080
i tend to be a little conspiratorial and

731
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,840
pessimistic so take this with a grain of

732
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,760
salt but i get a little scared about all

733
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,240
the net neutrality questions because for

734
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,080
most people that sort of stuff doesn't

735
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,880
mean anything but for podcasters that's

736
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,440
i mean when they talk about slowing down

737
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,480
delivery of some kind of content i mean

738
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,840
we're the kinds of content you're

739
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,679
talking about the people that don't pay

740
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,279
them a lot of money

741
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,919
so i become a little worried about

742
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,440
things like that for the future

743
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,080
podcasting i think without those kind of

744
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,640
problems the future podcast is unlimited

745
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,320
and you're going to see more and more

746
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,320
niche markets served i was telling my

747
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,480
wife the other day it won't be very long

748
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,039
before every school has their own

749
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,200
podcast and you can keep informed on

750
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,279
what's going on there in every little

751
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,880
league league and they'll talk about

752
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,279
what happened in those most recent games

753
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,960
and what you can get at the snack stand

754
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,039
on sale you're going to see podcasts

755
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,480
reaching into

756
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,360
narrower and narrower more niche markets

757
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,200
and that's it you know like i said if

758
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,799
things don't happen at a higher level

759
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,200
with the rise in google and quest and

760
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,320
atp

761
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,400
that hurt the ability of us to get our

762
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,120
podcast to our audience wow yeah it's

763
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,120
just going to be like deluded

764
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:35,039
almost like

765
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,720
you know i i saw once when they said

766
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,880
that the the regular public internet

767
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,159
will just be this ad late thing where

768
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,320
nobody wants to go unless you have to

769
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,000
and you know the people that will be

770
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,240
able to deliver podcasts at a reasonable

771
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,120
speed will be like espn and the new york

772
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,120
times and it'll take 18 hours to get

773
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:55,200
minor yours oh

774
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,320
wow i don't know if that'll really

775
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,320
happen but we can talk about my paranoid

776
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,080
fears at night that's what i'm afraid of

777
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,600
well let's look back in history is

778
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,400
anything like that happen in history

779
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,640
um actually i i look at ray you know

780
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,360
radio when it first came out um you used

781
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,360
to be able to walk with a transmitter it

782
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,360
was this giant big bulky backpack

783
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,360
looking thing but you could walk around

784
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,600
with a transmitter on your back and

785
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,760
broadcast and you know you got

786
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,159
or miles which in a place like new york

787
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,240
city you'd have an audience and they had

788
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,159
to make those illegal because they

789
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,720
crossed over once you sold legitimate

790
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,720
signals to legitimate radio stations you

791
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,559
couldn't have all these guys with radio

792
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,880
backpacks you know transmitting and

793
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,279
screwing up your signal so once upon a

794
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,679
time radio was like the internet

795
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,640
wow yeah back up wasn't it armstrong and

796
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,399
all those guys doing different things

797
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,200
with radio i don't know yeah

798
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,640
yeah

799
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,480
so dan one one of the questions i had

800
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,480
when i was thinking of uh after i

801
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,360
listened to your your podcast it seems

802
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,039
like you're totally saying everything

803
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,480
right off the cuff like you don't have

804
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,720
any papers you're looking at um and it's

805
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,840
just uh a very good oration is that

806
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:05,200
is that kind of what you do you just

807
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,240
think of what you're going to say and

808
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,640
you just you just talk

809
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,240
for the common sense show that is what i

810
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:11,840
do that is

811
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,720
yes and so for the history show i don't

812
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,320
know that we've even got that down to

813
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,679
science i don't know that we have a

814
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,080
specific method we do it all the time a

815
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,000
lot of times i try to just

816
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,880
start talking and go as far as i can

817
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,279
before the narration

818
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,200
and then we'll usually save that and

819
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,640
then i'll try to pick up where we

820
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,559
stopped and keep going and then we edit

821
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,159
those things together

822
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:36,080
oh i see

823
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,760
up in front of me probably not in front

824
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,640
of you um i have the list of the the

825
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,200
hardcore history episodes that you had

826
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,600
i'm just going to touch a little bit on

827
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,120
them and you can just

828
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,720
tell me a little bit about what they're

829
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,960
uh we're about if that's okay

830
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,440
sure okay we'll start all the way back i

831
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,200
tried to find your earlier podcasts and

832
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,679
i couldn't find them on itunes but all

833
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,159
the way back to uh episode number one

834
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
alexa this is the

835
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,840
title topic

836
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,320
alexander versus hitler

837
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,720
that was the first one we ever did

838
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,120
not quite sure what we were trying to do

839
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,880
either if you notice it's only 15

840
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,440
minutes long and now they're like these

841
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,840
mammoth productions i think i thought

842
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,679
i'd be able to just whip out one of

843
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,840
these shows every week or two

844
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,760
and i think what you really hear is

845
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,200
almost our

846
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,880
our treatment if you were going to try

847
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,039
to sell the show to a tv network that's

848
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,360
like an example of one of our shows when

849
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,559
we didn't know what the heck we were

850
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,080
doing uh-huh

851
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,919
yeah my first show was really really bad

852
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,279
i hope no one even listens to it

853
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
actually well you know not that it's so

854
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,360
bad but that we didn't know what we were

855
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,200
trying to i mean i always say that each

856
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,080
podcast is like a tv series and it takes

857
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,640
a few shows sometimes it's like 10 to

858
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,880
evolve into what you're going to be and

859
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,159
you know that's the same is true

860
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,240
certainly for hardcore history all right

861
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,600
now i'm just going to go through a

862
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,840
couple and pick out a couple more um

863
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,279
let's see romancing the tribes

864
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,279
uh that was uh that was a show where we

865
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,880
found two figures

866
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,600
uh that one was a an indian chief named

867
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,559
tecumseh right another was a celtic

868
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,240
leader named

869
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,960
and the similarities between these guys

870
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,600
lived centuries apart and yet both of

871
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,399
them tried to rally tribesmen around to

872
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,640
resist you know the threat of you know

873
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:24,080
the garlic chieftain was worried about

874
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,360
the romans and the indian chieftain was

875
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,440
worried about the american expansion and

876
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,200
so these were two guys who lived a

877
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,679
millennia apart but that seemed to be

878
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,600
the same person reborn

879
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,559
had fun comparing

880
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,000
see that's what i'm talking about when i

881
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,080
say that uh you have such an interesting

882
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,080
take on uh

883
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,080
parts of history and i think that's what

884
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,480
i find the most fascinating and while

885
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,720
i'm giving a little praise i also like

886
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,000
the way you uh you ask questions on your

887
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,559
on your podcast

888
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,320
pose a question

889
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:58,000
because it's really cool and then the

890
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,279
question asking i mean that's just

891
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,640
because i don't know

892
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,399
uh i mean i think it's one of the

893
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,039
freedoms of being a fan rather than an

894
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,960
expert i think if you're an expert

895
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,559
saying you don't know doesn't sound that

896
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,480
good i obviously have no problem saying

897
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,720
it because i really don't know so

898
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,480
i think it makes asking questions easy

899
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,000
sometimes

900
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,080
okay and number eight was scars of the

901
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,679
great war

902
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,440
wow that's the one we did

903
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:23,039
you know actually that we did that about

904
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,559
the first world war and i thought about

905
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,000
it because i remember a class from

906
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,159
college where we were learning about it

907
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:31,200
and the professor brought in sly

908
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,039
of medical uh photographs taken of

909
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,799
people who were injured in the first

910
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,720
world war and they're these black and

911
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,399
white pictures that are absolutely

912
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,320
unbelievable and one was and i don't

913
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,399
even know how that guy lived it

914
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,240
literally showed a guy who had a hole

915
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,919
through his head you could see what was

916
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,840
behind him and he was fine walking

917
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,320
around in the 1920s but it was his war

918
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,279
wound and those people were all walking

919
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,679
around europe at this time like living

920
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,240
reminders of that terrible terrible

921
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,559
first world war and so we went into sort

922
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,240
of the overtones of this thing without

923
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,840
really getting into the war itself

924
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,600
during lunch wow

925
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,039
you could really see through that guy

926
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,360
huh it was the most unbelievable photo

927
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,159
like like that i've ever seen wow isn't

928
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,080
that something and then you get into the

929
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,159
bronze age and number nine darkness

930
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:20,480
buries the bronze age

931
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,519
that's the story about these invasions

932
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,200
the bronze age is one of those periods

933
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,519
where you know human civilization spiked

934
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,399
up for a while on the civilization draft

935
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,399
and then it came to an end rather

936
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,279
abruptly and you can almost see all the

937
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:37,760
little lights twinkling out of these

938
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,720
civilizations as some sort of malevolent

939
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,440
force moves across the mass from either

940
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,760
north to south or west to east and no

941
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,760
one really knows what happened so we

942
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,600
were talking about uh some of the

943
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:51,120
theories and some of the records that

944
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,399
did exist and what it must have been

945
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,840
like and of course asking a bunch of

946
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,760
questions punic nightmares that was a

947
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,240
very good good one there was a series of

948
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,200
three

949
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,399
where we started getting into real

950
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,760
trouble though because it becomes a

951
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,799
multi-part episode yes and it turns what

952
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,399
was i mean you know putting a podcast

953
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,480
together anyone who's done it knows is a

954
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,519
little like

955
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,279
a chess game when you're putting all the

956
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:15,039
pieces together and making it all work

957
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,399
that turned it into like a

958
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,080
three-dimensional chess game because you

959
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,600
had to remember what was going on in the

960
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,279
first episode we were still doing the

961
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,600
third and make it all work um i'm glad

962
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,440
you liked it that one was a

963
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,120
i still hurt i think somewhere from that

964
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,960
one

965
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,720
took a lot out of your home yes i'm

966
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,360
permanently scarred

967
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,120
well dan this is great now i just want

968
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,880
to ask you do you have time to do

969
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,399
anything else besides

970
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,080
these podcasts

971
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,399
um i have to honestly say i've never

972
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,240
been as busy as i am now and it's one of

973
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,799
those deals where you enjoy it so it

974
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,760
makes it a lot easier but i never had a

975
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,080
job either when i was in news or radio

976
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
or anything where i've worked as many

977
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,840
hours as i work now and there's so and

978
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,519
you'll know there's so much to this that

979
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,600
the average person doesn't see because

980
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,760
they just consume the podcast it keeps

981
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,679
you and keep me and keep all the other

982
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,840
podcasters hopping all the time behind

983
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,240
the scenes so i have no time you have no

984
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,960
time but um you you really you can tell

985
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,480
you really enjoy

986
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,760
doing it

987
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,599
that's something that comes first

988
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,599
about radio a lot i mean i think i enjoy

989
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,599
doing it i mean i know podcasters who

990
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,440
are hoping to get a radio gig out of

991
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,679
their podcast and i always feel sorry

992
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,960
for them because they don't know what i

993
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,720
mean they're in the better men they're

994
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,240
in the better place now

995
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,000
and i think that if there is any

996
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:32,079
enthusiasm it's the fact that this is a

997
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,960
really

998
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,119
fun place to be in a creative sense

999
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,879
right now and by the way i'd encourage

1000
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,240
any of your audience members who's ever

1001
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,599
been thinking about doing anything like

1002
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,480
this it's tough it's a lot of work but

1003
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,800
there's a lot of really satisfying parts

1004
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,040
to it and if you want to do it i do it

1005
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,200
now before the net neutrality shuts us

1006
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,960
all down

1007
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,359
for the lack of net neutrality right

1008
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,480
right

1009
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,119
okay dan well uh let's give out your

1010
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,960
your website

1011
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,200
uh just go to dan carlin.com you can get

1012
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,760
uh the current shows the old shows

1013
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,200
pretty much everything we do sort of

1014
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:06,800
headlines there you can always go to

1015
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,320
itunes itunes and podcast alley and

1016
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,960
there's on and on and on it goes well

1017
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,440
and listen uh i'm glad to see you you

1018
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,119
guys are going strong i mean i really

1019
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,680
root for the podcasters yes well thank

1020
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,560
you

1021
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,880
and uh it's been a real pleasure dan

1022
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:26,400
this is martin willis with dan carlin